(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]
GN[2nd European Grand prix Finale (Shikshin - Surma)]PW[Mateus Surma]PB[Ilya Shikshin]WR[1p]BR[2p]DT[2019-01-26]EV[2nd European Grand prix Finale]RO[Semifinal]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[qp]
;W[dp]
;B[np]
;W[nc]
;B[lc]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[qd]
;B[pe]
;W[rf]
;B[fc]C[TytanPracy [?\]: Who's white?
EGPF3 [?\]: Mateus Surma is white
TytanPracy [?\]: Thx
EGPF3 [?\]: Black is Ilya Shikshin
olivedu13 [?\]: this is semi fial ?
EGPF3 [?\]: yeas winner goes to final
olivedu13 [?\]: thx
]
;W[fd]
;B[gd]
;W[fe]C[olivedu13 [?\]: and  the  player other semi are ? 
olivedu13 [?\]: of
]
;B[ec]
;W[dc]
;B[hd]C[Marko2 [4k?\]: Илья вперед! И Матеушу удачи! 
EGPF3 [?\]: Pavol and Artem are the other semfinal couple
]
;W[fq]C[qazxsw: c14
EGPF3 [?\]: ilya is looking at to left 
]
;B[cf]
;W[ce]
;B[df]
;W[de]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: oh no, wrong relay already
]
;B[cj]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: i wish web client could cope with that
olivedu13 [?\]: thx
]
;W[jd]C[anarchia: i need to learn playing moves like k16
anarchia: i was just looking for some boring extensions
]
;B[jc]
;W[kc]C[TytanPracy [?\]: K18?
qazxsw: l16
]
;B[kd]
;W[kb]
;B[jb]
;W[ld]
;B[ke]
;W[lb]C[qazxsw: m15
Weishenme [6d\]: n16
]
;B[qb]
;W[le]
;B[lf]C[qazxsw: r16 b better
qazxsw: r14
regoGr [2d?\]: final will be tomorrow?
anarchia: yes, Surma vs Artem
anarchia: ;)
anarchia: actually i think it will be Pavol vs Ilya, but would be nice to see something unexpected
]
;W[ic]
;B[ib]
;W[id]
;B[hc]
;W[kf]
;B[je]C[jkhk: I wouldn't say an arthem win over Pavol can be described as unexpected
]
;W[mf]
;B[lg]
;W[ie]
;B[jf]C[jkhk: does he have such a bad score against pavol?
]
;W[if]
;B[jg]
;W[ig]
;B[ih]C[TytanPracy [?\]: Who's winning?
]
;W[hh]
;B[jh]C[Laman [2d\]: jkhk: the rating says 60% for Pavol vs Artem
jkhk: I see thax, so it would be slightly unexecpeted
Laman [2d\]: and 69% for Ilya vs Mateusz
anarchia: white would like to have stone at n13...
anarchia: and in couple of other places
JeansebL [?\]: Can white play g18?
anarchia: it does not kill
]
;W[gg]C[anarchia: k19 makes more damage if i read it correctly
JeansebL [?\]: Still looks good
qazxsw: n15
]
;B[gf]
;W[eg]C[qazxsw: h11
]
;B[hi]C[TytanPracy [?\]: So k16 wad bad:)
shinoe [?\]: anarchia - are you high dan player? :) just out of curiosity
anarchia: no, i`m not, don`t bother about my judgement :)
shinoe [?\]: ;D ok
wuyang [16k?\]: by
Uberdude [4d?\]: f13 proper defence
shinoe [?\]: can someone explain to me why s14 instead of standard joseki q18?
]
;W[fh]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: s14 si a new idea from bots
Uberdude [4d?\]: the idea is don't hurt o17
shinoe [?\]: okay, makes sense
]
;B[gb]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: a common follow up later is o15 jump
]
;W[ne]C[shinoe [?\]: cause my first thought was that white doesnt like r12 later
shinoe [?\]: but still r13 seems like nice move for black later :D
shinoe [?\]: (not this game but another...)
qazxsw: r14
shinoe [?\]: ok, i see
Uberdude [4d?\]: here s14 makes sense, but then f16 seems a little odd to me with it, as f16 ususually means i want to give you the top side, whereas s14 says i want to fight with o17
shinoe [?\]: thanks :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes r13 press is a black follow up
Uberdude [4d?\]: if that happens white usually r14 push, and can then think about cut or clamp
JeansebL [?\]: Is surma white? (Using the the poor android app...)
shinoe [?\]: yeah, a little. Maybe he decided "lets give him that and forcefully try to take it all away" :D
Uberdude [4d?\]: and may then make q18 sente hane connect to strenthen corner in sente (but hurt o17 aji)
anarchia: yes he is white
shinoe [?\]: yes, Mateusz is white
JeansebL [?\]: Thanks guys
]
;B[rb]C[JeansebL [?\]: That hurts...
]
;W[qg]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: r13 a bit heavy
Uberdude [4d?\]: LZ 202 prefers r12 or r11 giving white 79%
JeansebL [?\]: Interesting
Uberdude [4d?\]: either way, s14 has been successful
Uberdude [4d?\]: white used o17 well
shinoe [?\]: and what followup does it say after s15?
JeansebL [?\]: Btw, is minigo stronger than lz now?
shinoe [?\]: i mean r12-r15 and then what? :D
Uberdude [4d?\]: maybe, cbaduk  just did 2 long games, mini one both
JeansebL [?\]: Cool, I'll have to give it a try
Uberdude [4d?\]: i've not tried it yet
Uberdude [4d?\]: but i hear the weights can run in lz/lizzie
JeansebL [?\]: Oh cool
shinoe [?\]: i wonder when and if j11 cut will play a big role in the game :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: LZ did prefer to directly defend at g14 than j13 push
Uberdude [4d?\]: then it is k12 cut =)
Uberdude [4d?\]: than h12 hane, rather, after j13 push
]
;B[mg]C[shinoe [?\]: yeah, i guess white doesnt have time to cut anyway
]
;W[ob]
;B[qe]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: white lost option to r15 himself
shinoe [?\]: p13?
Uberdude [4d?\]: r10 i guess
shinoe [?\]: but there is still possibility to connect at s16, isnt it?
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes, but so terrible for eyes
]
;W[qj]C[shinoe [?\]: so maybe enclose and then extend?
shinoe [?\]: true
Uberdude [4d?\]: i guess he didn't like prospect of when he plays r15 black defends at p18
shinoe [?\]: p18 does take away the eyespace
shinoe [?\]: so maybe :)
]
;B[nf]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: white lost some attacking potential though, switched to amashi style
shinoe [?\]: that hurts a lot :/
]
;W[me]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: yeah, now j11 no power
Uberdude [4d?\]: LZ wouldnt connect but r7
Uberdude [4d?\]: looks more consistent that this plan
shinoe [?\]: does it consider q9?
shinoe [?\]: and going for the middle?
Uberdude [4d?\]: as b now?
]
;B[cm]C[shinoe [?\]: yup
shinoe [?\]: i have to install LZ :D
Uberdude [4d?\]: no, r9 top, then r8 and g11
shinoe [?\]: i see
Uberdude [4d?\]: now it your s16 time =)
shinoe [?\]: :)
coffee123: who's winning ^^;
Uberdude [4d?\]: white (mateusz)
Uberdude [4d?\]: but anything can happen
shinoe [?\]: interesting that for B it liked r9 but for white it suggests s16 now :D
]
;W[rd]
;B[re]
;W[se]
;B[sc]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: i think the point is black puts pressure on white group
]
;W[sd]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: then white doesn't want to s16 because own eyespace suffers
shinoe [?\]: yeah, makes sense
]
;B[pb]
;W[og]C[shinoe [?\]: so if r9 was to defend s16 - its definitely 10000 above my level :D
coffee123: is ilya dying :O
Uberdude [4d?\]: no, corner can always live in gote if needed
anarchia: no, he is living with 2 points gote ;-)
shinoe [?\]: not sure which option is more sad :D
shinoe [?\]: living with 2 eyes hurts
shinoe [?\]: in gote
Uberdude [4d?\]: interestngly, after r9 te sequence is r9 q9 r8 q10, then c7 like ilya did directly and then s16
shinoe [?\]: yeah but that is a huge difference - having r9 and r8 in sente
]
;B[ph]
;W[pg]
;B[ng]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: also white not cutting o13 fairly big mistake
Uberdude [4d?\]: beause no cut at n12 after
Uberdude [4d?\]: see my clone for sequence
]
;W[of]
;B[pa]
;W[lq]
;B[ql]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: p12 solid now
qazxsw: p15
shinoe [?\]: p15 super slow
Uberdude [4d?\]: maybe he will q4 though
Uberdude [4d?\]: p15 dame is miserable
Uberdude [4d?\]: LZ has some confusion here though, seems to think p15 black is sente on top group
Uberdude [4d?\]: but i dont think it is, and neither does it if you tenuki and ask it to kill
]
;W[pl]C[shinoe [?\]: yeah, i cant see any way to kill this with s17 sente for black
qazxsw: q7
]
;B[pm]
;W[pk]C[scurge [?\]: this is looking pretty good forwhite
qazxsw: p12
]
;B[qm]C[shinoe [?\]: what should black do about m3 stone since he doesnt have much influence? m5 seems not appropriate
shinoe [?\]: and kicking at n3 a little sad
q11 [3d\]: white already damaged his options in the corner
shinoe [?\]: that's true. And that is why i wonder what should black do assuming white plays somewhere else :D
shinoe [?\]: cause i'be seen m5, f3 sometimes is good option but white is already strong there
]
;W[gi]C[shinoe [?\]: o2 super sad
shinoe [?\]: n3 a little too :D
shinoe [?\]: and he needs territory somewhere
]
;B[bp]
;W[hj]
;B[jk]C[Benson [1k\]:  is is too bad that we can not play back
Benson [1k\]: when you are late, you donot know what was happened
rats [1d?\]: view offline
shinoe [?\]: or clone :)
]
;W[nr]C[shinoe [?\]: looks for me a little like it will be W+R soon
shinoe [?\]: but maybe i'm wrong :)
]
;B[oh]C[Benson [1k\]: do not know how to do it
shinoe [?\]: options -> clone/view offline
Benson [1k\]: thanks
shinoe [?\]: np
]
;W[qh]
;B[oj]
;W[qk]
;B[jq]
;W[lo]
;B[hq]
;W[pq]
;B[qq]
;W[pp]C[qazxsw: q2
]
;B[pr]
;W[or]
;B[qr]
;W[po]
;B[qo]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: black s7 instead would have affected eyespace of side group too
Uberdude [4d?\]: it's getting closer
]
;W[on]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: black doesn't deserve to get all left side, but i fear he may
Uberdude [4d?\]: c8 is a place to start
Uberdude [4d?\]: but if black gets c3 fisrt, he may fight back stronger
]
;B[bg]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: seriously?
Uberdude [4d?\]: that's a wacky one
]
;W[ch]
;B[bh]
;W[ra]
;B[sa]C[TheThe [4k\]: fake 
comments1: a 500-step Belgian ko
]
;W[ip]C[bert [?\]: lol, this looks like bot play
EGPF3 [?\]: timesuji
]
;B[hp]C[EGPF3 [?\]: white is 20 sec left
]
;W[gr]C[bert [?\]: there is no ko, btw   t18 s17 t14 r19 
EGPF3 [?\]: black had to responded anf white get a time
TheThe [4k\]: what is the time system?
]
;B[kp]C[EGPF3 [?\]: fisher
]
;W[lp]C[TheThe [4k\]: thanks
EGPF3 [?\]: plus 20 sec per move
EGPF3 [?\]: start itme 45 minutes
]
;B[io]C[EGPF3 [?\]: white 8 .45 min left
EGPF3 [?\]: black
]
;W[cq]
;B[bq]
;W[br]
;B[cp]
;W[dq]C[EGPF3 [?\]: black 9 minutes white 1 minute
]
;B[kn]
;W[mm]
;B[mk]
;W[cl]C[EGPF3 [?\]: black has 3 min left
]
;B[dl]
;W[sf]
;B[rc]C[EGPF3 [?\]: anothet time suji
]
;W[dm]
;B[bl]
;W[cn]
;B[bm]
;W[ci]
;B[bi]
;W[bn]
;B[dn]
;W[do]
;B[em]
;W[co]
;B[be]
;W[bd]
;B[ad]
;W[ac]
;B[ae]
;W[bb]
;B[ii]
;W[ll]C[olivedu13 [?\]: w is ahead
]
;B[gj]C[EGPF3 [?\]: anzone with leela ?
]
;W[fj]
;B[gk]
;W[fk]
;B[gl]
;W[lk]
;B[lj]
;W[jl]C[domolsz: leela says white is 78%
Laman [2d\]: EGPF: 84% for w
]
;B[il]
;W[fl]
;B[ei]
;W[fi]C[kmiia [2k\]: 64 for white after this exchange
]
;B[kk]
;W[ko]
;B[jo]
;W[jm]
;B[jn]
;W[im]
;B[hm]
;W[lm]C[anarchia: w+10
EGPF3 [?\]: d12 ??
]
;B[ik]
;W[sb]
;B[qa]
;W[bf]
;B[af]
;W[hn]
;B[gn]
;W[go]
;B[ho]
;W[in]
;B[fo]C[domolsz: White at 90%+
shinoe [1k?\]: is black dead on k3?
]
;W[gp]
;B[hr]C[shinoe [1k?\]: okay, its alive ;P
]
;W[fp]
;B[kr]
;W[kq]
;B[jp]
;W[lr]
;B[ks]C[coffee123: surma looking so calm and getting the win
]
;W[rl]
;B[rm]
;W[rk]C[shinoe [1k?\]: Mateusz strong :)
coffee123: ilya is fidgety as always ;p
anarchia: do you see them?
shinoe [1k?\]: btw i think he doesnt miss many points to get to 2p
scurge [?\]: For sure surma ahead?
kmiia [2k\]: 78% for white
]
;B[dh]
;W[ej]
;B[dj]C[shinoe [1k?\]: yeah, definitely white is winning
]
;W[nk]
;B[nj]
;W[sm]
;B[sn]
;W[sl]
;B[rn]C[ogolony [-\]: b13 losing move?
]
;W[eb]
;B[fb]
;W[db]
;B[om]C[shinoe [1k?\]: b13 looks ok for me, not sure why everyone is complaining :D
]
;W[nm]
;B[pn]
;W[no]C[Shamash [?\]: mateus is in good shape 
coffee123: damn mateus winning like a puro
coffee123: how is pavol doing?
grgr4gff6: winning
shinoe [1k?\]: by a lot
]
;B[eo]
;W[fm]
;B[gm]
;W[fn]
;B[en]C[shinoe [1k?\]: when is the final game? :)
]
;W[ml]
;B[mj]
;W[pi]
;B[ar]C[shinoe [1k?\]: I really want to see Mareusz-Pavol game :)
shinoe [1k?\]: a2 timesuji?
shinoe [1k?\]: or yose?
]
;W[bo]
;B[cr]
;W[bs]C[kmiia [2k\]: whaaat
Uberdude [4d?\]: but black a6 wasn't sente even if white defended at b1
EGPF3 [?\]: may be squeeze demonstration
]
;B[oi]
;W[eh]C[kjh97 [8d\]: you sure?
]
;B[di]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: no =)
Uberdude [4d?\]: dreamt a3 was snapback
]
;W[el]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: could there still be semedori here
Goprince [5d\]: w winning this
Uberdude [4d?\]: e8 helps avoid that
Goprince [5d\]: according to my speed count
]
;B[ff]
;W[ef]C[coffee123: i check accoding to SE :D
]
;B[ln]
;W[mn]C[Takimme [1k\]: N18 
]
;B[oq]
;W[nq]
;B[nd]C[EGPF3 [?\]: just p15 ?
kjh97 [8d\]: yep
Goprince [5d\]: actually very close game
kjh97 [8d\]: yep
]
;W[oc]
;B[oa]
;W[na]C[shinoe [1k?\]: how much difference in points makes the game not close? :D
shinoe [1k?\]: on their level?
]
;B[he]
;W[hg]C[Goprince [5d\]: 4 points
shinoe [1k?\]: i see :)
shinoe [1k?\]: thanks
Goprince [5d\]: just a random number :p
]
;B[od]C[NiceGuy [3d?\]: XD
shinoe [1k?\]: hehe
]
;W[mc]C[shinoe [1k?\]: still, may be accurate ;D
shinoe [1k?\]: they are pro after all :D
]
;B[gs]
;W[fs]
;B[hs]
;W[ep]
;B[dm]C[Goprince [5d\]: might be closer to 2-3
Wichmaster [8d\]: n17 is minus 1 point
x0000 [-\]: how so?
]
;W[jr]
;B[ir]
;W[ls]C[kjh97 [8d\]: w preventing n19 l19
]
;B[js]C[Horibe [1d\]: hmm, lower right corner aji?
Horibe [1d\]: sorry left
Wichmaster [8d\]: becouse r14 sente for b
kjh97 [8d\]: yes but l19 sente bigger
Wichmaster [8d\]: l is not sente
Wichmaster [8d\]: i19
Goprince [5d\]: it is at this stage of endgame
]
;W[hk]
;B[hl]C[kjh97 [8d\]: atari n19 then l19
kjh97 [8d\]: i'm assuming you meant n16 rather than n17 right?
x0000 [-\]: there is no i19 on the board
MaLa [1d\]: you are to weak to see i19
shinoe [1k?\]: i19 10pro move
shinoe [1k?\]: ;)
]
;W[am]
;B[al]C[kjh97 [8d\]: b wouldn''t atari p15 then
kjh97 [8d\]: w needs to watch out...
inte [?\]: but b would capture o17 stones?
kmiia [2k\]: if w a6 leela says theres seki
kmiia [2k\]: and b wins
]
;W[ao]
;B[pj]
;W[qi]
;B[qf]
;W[rg]
;B[ka]
;W[la]
;B[ja]
;W[dk]
;B[ck]
;W[dg]
;B[cg]C[Goprince [5d\]: loks like a .5 game atm
ogolony [-\]: W+0,5
scurge [?\]: so last dame decides?
]
;W[fg]C[x0000 [-\]: I counted w+3...
]
;B[ed]
;W[ee]
;B[ea]
;W[da]
;B[fa]
;W[ps]
;B[qs]
;W[os]C[TheThe [4k\]: g3 
Takimme [1k\]: G3 forgotten?
]
;B[gq]C[kjh97 [8d\]: i'm going for a b win
]
;W[fr]
;B[ok]
;W[nl]C[anarchia: i`m not
Wichmaster [8d\]: w +0.5
Shamash [?\]: i hope not, a pavol vs ilya is so mainstream, let's change the finalists a little bit
Goprince [5d\]: ko decides the game
x0000 [-\]: Ok, w+0.5
ogolony [-\]: :)
Shamash [?\]: pavol vs mateus would be cool
kjh97 [8d\]: sry 
Goprince [5d\]: oh 2 kos
TheThe [4k\]: se gives up
]
;B[oe]C[Goprince [5d\]: w+0.5
x0000 [-\]: ko is useless
kjh97 [8d\]: w0.5 yeah, played it out wrongly
bert [?\]: no, se is useless
ZeNit [?\]: It's Chinese rules and 7,5 komi
anarchia: i had w+10 like 50 moves ago, w +4 20 moves ago and now you are scaring me...
ogolony [-\]: why p15 ?
]
;W[ek]
;B[sa]C[TheThe [4k\]: se b+4
]
;W[md]C[TheThe [4k\]: chinese rules are bad
]
;B[an]C[x0000 [-\]: oh, b can win
Wichmaster [8d\]: hope to cheat
x0000 [-\]: because of chinese rules
Taro [-\]: in chinese rules neutral points can be ko threats
]
;W[kl]
;B[ol]C[x0000 [-\]: w will have to pass
]
;W[am]C[Weishenme [6d\]: i count w + 0,5
]
;B[sh]
;W[sj]
;B[an]C[kjh97 [8d\]: after a pass b wins
kjh97 [8d\]: chinese rules...
shinoe [1k?\]: dame as ko threats sounds fun :D
Goprince [5d\]: yup
Goprince [5d\]: b has more threats
]
;W[ge]
;B[hf]
;W[am]C[kjh97 [8d\]: yeah gg lol
]
;B[bc]
;W[cc]
;B[an]C[scurge [?\]: poor Mateusz :(
bert [?\]: big ko
]
;W[ag]C[kjh97 [8d\]: painful way to lose
Weishenme [6d\]: unecen number of dames
]
;B[ah]
;W[am]C[shinoe [1k?\]: that sucks :/
]
;B[ab]C[Weishenme [6d\]: uneven
]
;W[aa]
;B[an]C[ZeNit [?\]: calculated by Ilya, obviously
Goprince [5d\]: :/
]
;W[hb]
;B[ha]C[Horibe [1d\]: Black seems ok
]
;W[am]C[x0000 [-\]: wow, b actually did it 0_o
]
;B[op]
;W[oo]C[kjh97 [8d\]: F
]
;B[an]C[Shamash [?\]: Oh noo come on
odnihs [-\]: f
Wichmaster [8d\]: now b wins
]
;W[km]
;B[pf]
;W[am]
;B[nb]
;W[mb]C[scurge [?\]: 1ko threat diff?
]
;B[an]C[Goprince [5d\]: much more than that
Weishenme [6d\]: ouch now B + 0,5
]
;W[]C[Wichmaster [8d\]: c1 is a ko threat
]
;B[am]C[x0000 [-\]: B + 1.5
shinoe [1k?\]: SE sucks :D
scurge [?\]: u sure?
kjh97 [8d\]: i cri everytime
ZeNit [?\]: ;_;
shinoe [1k?\]: it shows B+9,5 ;D
shinoe [1k?\]: oh, now 12,5
Taro [-\]: score estimator does not work with area counting rulesets
kjh97 [8d\]: that's how i got the b+1.5 just now, bamboozled myself
kjh97 [8d\]: u have to view offline
Taro [-\]: and barely works under japanese rules ;-)
x0000 [-\]: this is so savage
anarchia: ilya unstoppable
anarchia: like red army 
Horibe [1d\]: maybe 2.5
shinoe [1k?\]: but still, really good game for Surma :)
Shamash [?\]: anarchia lol
Horibe [1d\]: no 1.5 sorry
Wichmaster [8d\]: d9 was losing move for w:)
Goprince [5d\]: lol
Shamash [?\]: so ?
shinoe [1k?\]: damn yose :)
x0000 [-\]: w would easily win if it were japanese rules
hotfridge [1k\]: feels real unfair
Tako [?\]: B+ 1,5
Horibe [1d\]: nonsense
TheThe [4k\]: se b+12
Arhiman [4d\]: at least he didn't lose because he had to pass twice...
Horibe [1d\]: how can the rules that both know be unfair
TheThe [4k\]: I think SE uses japanese here
hotfridge [1k\]: you tell me 
hotfridge [1k\]: but it feel unfair
bromba [1d\]: SE uses random function
x0000 [-\]: se counts dead stones twice
TheThe [4k\]: chinese rules are unelegant
kjh97 [8d\]: lmao
TheThe [4k\]: because chinese rules do not punish silly moves
TheThe [4k\]: like playing inside your own territory
Weishenme [6d\]: I prefer Chinese rules
TheThe [4k\]: which makes me cringe
Horibe [1d\]: Chinese rules are fine, not understanding them is inelegant
anarchia: true
TheThe [4k\]: I understand, but I just dont like
anarchia: i prefer chinese too, just not this time
x0000 [-\]: ing rules are the worst
shinoe [1k?\]: i think Mateusz understands them :) still, good game for both of them
shinoe [1k?\]: really close
TheThe [4k\]: japanese rules are perfection, almost
kjh97 [8d\]: cool
TheThe [4k\]: imperfections make them perfect, japanese style
x0000 [-\]: japanese rules are far from perfect
Weishenme [6d\]: So what is the offficial result ?
bromba [1d\]: the difference between japanese and chinese rules is just one point
Horibe [1d\]: and then only half the time
hotfridge [1k\]: B+ cause chinese
TheThe [4k\]: wabis-sabi
kjh97 [8d\]: 185
bert [?\]: why doesn't the scribe pronounce the result?
anarchia: he is also shocked
shinoe [1k?\]: maybe they are still counting
TheThe [4k\]: are they counting still?
TheThe [4k\]: maybe negotiating
Horibe [1d\]: chinese counting takes awhile....
x0000 [-\]: maybe they called a judge for counting
kjh97 [8d\]: there is nothing to negotiate lol 
hotfridge [1k\]: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation2
shinoe [1k?\]: "come on, lets say i won, i'll buy you a drink" :P
bert [?\]: no they are waiting for the kgs kibitzers to count for them
Goprince [5d\]: chinese rules are still the best, just arnt used to them is all
hotfridge [1k\]: surma just sitting there in defeat
daeroval [1d?\]: Ilya left and looking at Mateus' face, I guess Ilya won.
Aliquid [4d\]: In terms of war strategy, it makes sense that adding troops inside your territory doesn't lose points
Laman [2d\]: wow, the video really shows
LoveMichel [6d?\]: "should i stop playing go"
anarchia: "i open bike shop"
megaschaf [3k\]: any official result ?
LoveMichel [6d?\]: Not said but Ilya won 100%
anarchia: so sad
ogolony [-\]: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
megaschaf [3k\]: B====D
bert [?\]: if official result is not pronounced then it is a no result game
x0000 [-\]: it was, but not here..
hotfridge [1k\]: so A2 winning move?
megaschaf [3k\]: everyone left ? :)
anarchia: 67 black, 66.5 white in japanese counting so...
anarchia: no matter the rules
TofuPuffs [?\]: where's the video link
anarchia:  https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation2
TofuPuffs [?\]: what happen in the video
TofuPuffs [?\]: thanks
bert [?\]: i can't believe this
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