(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[20/300 Canadian]
GN[European Women Go Championship 2016 final round]PW[Elvina Kalsberg]PB[Natalia Kovaleva]WR[3d]BR[5d]DT[2016-08-21]EV[European Women Go Championship 2016]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: Game will start in a few minutes
]
;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[dq]
;W[qd]
;B[co]
;W[nq]
;B[qn]C[mihi [?\]: Can you please tell the result of the second board from last round?
]
;W[jq]
;B[lq]
;W[gq]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: I will look into it
]
;B[oq]
;W[np]
;B[kp]C[wade [5d\]: is there a table of results?
EWGC2016 [?\]: Laura Avram won against Irina Davis on round 4
EWGC2016 [?\]: Result table is not yet online
]
;W[po]C[mihi [?\]: ty
]
;B[qp]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: B 54 minutes, W 49 minutes
]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[op]
;B[pq]
;W[jp]
;B[kn]
;W[mr]C[sarmale [7k\]: Who are playing here ?
wade [5d\]: is there someone undefeated? 
EWGC2016 [?\]: Natalia Kovaleva is the only undefeated player at this stage.
wade [5d\]: thanks :)
Nande [2d\]: and who has only one loss ?
badkitty [5k\]: Is M2 good here?
gfzhkgko: but what's this pairing???
EWGC2016 [?\]: I do not have the result sheet in front of me. I will let you know as soon as I have the information.
gfzhkgko: it's a joke?
Nande [2d\]: thanks EWGC
]
;B[lr]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: 3 wins: Svetlana Shikshina, Elvina Kalsberg, Laura Avram & Rita Pocsai
Nande [2d\]: thanks!
gfzhkgko: and how plays against Rita?
]
;W[on]
;B[qm]
;W[jo]
;B[ko]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: Laura Avram vs Rita Pocsai & Svetlana Shikshina vs Marie Jemine
gfzhkgko: thanks
]
;W[ol]
;B[jn]
;W[hn]
;B[in]
;W[ho]
;B[hm]
;W[gm]
;B[gl]
;W[hl]
;B[im]
;W[hk]
;B[fm]
;W[gn]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: B 44 minutes, W 40 minutes
]
;B[jk]
;W[lm]
;B[kj]
;W[gj]
;B[fk]
;W[fn]
;B[em]C[Epithany [5k\]: w e3?
]
;W[qo]
;B[ro]
;W[ql]
;B[rm]
;W[fj]C[miao [6d\]: black is good
miao [6d\]: e6
miao [6d\]: what is the other account called?
]
;B[dj]C[oonicks: didnt see:S <?
wade [5d\]: ewgc20162
miao [6d\]: thx
wade [5d\]: yw
EWGC2016 [?\]: B 35 minutes, W 25 minutes
]
;W[dn]
;B[en]
;W[do]
;B[eo]C[GodofGo [6d\]: b kinda won alr very hard game for w
miao [6d\]: true
Shadowman [1d\]: Hard to imagine a way that both of these groups live
wade [5d\]: d6 d5 hurting w
poiuytre: w won
]
;W[di]
;B[ci]C[miao [6d\]: is o11 too daring?
miao [6d\]: propably not
miao [6d\]: is it good?
miao [6d\]: well
miao [6d\]: propably
oonicks: w plays a very good game, and otoh you could still say f9 is an example of why f8 is better, it is too complex because i also think w could make the corner small
miao [6d\]: o11 q11 l12 q13
Victor12 [6k\]: why is 3d white and 5d black?
Victor12 [6k\]: shouldnt it  b the opposite
Victor12 [6k\]: the other way around
miao [6d\]: a bit painful as q11 and p8 connection will be weak
miao [6d\]: because it is atournament 
Victor12 [6k\]: so lower lvls dont get advantage and get white stones in tournaments?
miao [6d\]: nope
dangerbird [1d\]: except in handicap tournaments
miao [6d\]: but usually they only get paired up if they score well
Victor12 [6k\]: ohhh ok icic
miao [6d\]: white´s only counterplayis l12
]
;W[ei]C[miao [6d\]: e11
miao [6d\]: geez
EWGC2016 [?\]: B 34 minutes, W 18 minutes
wade [5d\]: p10 for b seems more severe on w shape
miao [6d\]: if u have to play e11 d11 was horrible
miao [6d\]: yes
miao [6d\]: but a bit too direct
miao [6d\]: as b is not alive yet
miao [6d\]: i perefer o11
miao [6d\]: aiming at the same weakness
]
;B[fr]C[miao [6d\]: while giving your group strengh
miao [6d\]: f2 is temoting
miao [6d\]: but not sure how good it is
miao [6d\]: propably just fine
miao [6d\]: l2 now i guess
]
;W[dp]C[miao [6d\]: huh
]
;B[ep]C[wade [5d\]: aiming for sente?
miao [6d\]: this is not what the doctor ordered
]
;W[fq]C[miao [6d\]: haha
miao [6d\]: funny idea
miao [6d\]: :?
miao [6d\]: .9
miao [6d\]: :)
miao [6d\]: but
miao [6d\]: e2 is still possible
wade [5d\]: e2 is simple
miao [6d\]: g2 also
miao [6d\]: but then b might get only gote
miao [6d\]: c12 was too big
Zahlman [1k\]: this feels like hoping to get a mindless e3 response :)
miao [6d\]: that´s the reason why i huhed
miao [6d\]: e3 is fine
miao [6d\]: anything is
miao [6d\]: but u need sente
miao [6d\]: so u cannot get the maximum here
]
;B[gr]C[miao [6d\]: haha
miao [6d\]: nata disagrees
Zahlman [1k\]: :3
wade [5d\]: g4 has some aji of taking an eye off w's group
miao [6d\]: maybe rightly so
Zahlman [1k\]: sorry, just looked in, though... what is the sente needed for specifically?
Zahlman [1k\]: just because it's still early? or did I miss a weakness to fix
miao [6d\]: c12
miao [6d\]: it is just huuuuge
Zahlman [1k\]: ... yes, not small
WVoron [4d\]: w cant die here
miao [6d\]: 30 points easyly
miao [6d\]: and f10 remains weak
Zahlman [1k\]: yeah, stabilize those stones, compete over side, good relation to d16
miao [6d\]: so timing is a little odd
miao [6d\]: but als wv pointed out w also is under enormous pressure here
]
;W[eq]
;B[er]C[miao [6d\]: d2 will not work
Zahlman [1k\]: I guess w doesn't want to sacrifice this :)
miao [6d\]: she cannot
miao [6d\]: if this dies game over
Zahlman [1k\]: but if d2 is no good, how can it live?
]
;W[cq]C[WVoron [4d\]: this bad
]
;B[dr]
;W[hr]C[miao [6d\]: oh
miao [6d\]: h2
WVoron [4d\]: now at h2 b had h3
Zahlman [1k\]: oh, trade for corner?
EWGC2016 [?\]: B 31', W 13'
WVoron [4d\]: h3..
Zahlman [1k\]: choice between h3 and c4?
miao [6d\]: h3 is ko
poiuytre: б можно сдаваться
miao [6d\]: good
Zahlman [1k\]: does g4 work rather than h3?
wade [5d\]: j2 looks more instinctive
WVoron [4d\]: no ko
Zahlman [1k\]: oh j2 also is a shape yes
miao [6d\]: h3 j4
miao [6d\]: *j3
miao [6d\]: then?
WVoron [4d\]: then w live in gote
WVoron [4d\]: b happy
WVoron [4d\]: j3 g4
Zahlman [1k\]: if w 'live in gote', b still worried about corner though?
WVoron [4d\]: may be dead
miao [6d\]: it is not dead
miao [6d\]: ko
miao [6d\]: ...
miao [6d\]: l2 sente
]
;B[cp]C[WVoron [4d\]: yep
Zahlman [1k\]: heh
miao [6d\]: j1 k1 1 j2 is ko
miao [6d\]: just c4 is ok
miao [6d\]: h3 was propably better though
miao [6d\]: important is that b gets c12
Zahlman [1k\]: if w adds a move to live for sure and b c12, then b got everything that was wanted :)
miao [6d\]: then there is nothing to be worried
]
;W[kr]C[miao [6d\]: yes Zahlman
]
;B[ls]C[wade [5d\]: b has more than enough pts after c12
miao [6d\]: i thought w cannot move d6 without killing h5 anyway
poiuytre: поздравлю Наташу с 1 местом и со знанием чемпиона Европы
miao [6d\]: nata...
miao [6d\]: m1
WVoron [4d\]: c12 dangerous
miao [6d\]: russian style
WVoron [4d\]: many aji there
miao [6d\]: haha :)
manuel97 [2k\]: *much
miao [6d\]: then connect if u are afraid
WVoron [4d\]: can w add something like e9 in sente?
wade [5d\]: j5 kills 
Goyer [?\]: EWGC2016 - how many wins has Elvina ?
EWGC2016 [?\]: 3 so far
miao [6d\]: good question wv
Zahlman [1k\]: e9 seems like important aji yes
]
;W[ir]C[miao [6d\]: it will not be sente
miao [6d\]: d9 b9
miao [6d\]: and no way to create something in sente
]
;B[gp]C[miao [6d\]: as h2 is not allive yet
miao [6d\]: good try though :)
]
;W[hq]C[Zahlman [1k\]: this feels like killing intent
miao [6d\]: it is hard to find moves for black
miao [6d\]: white i mean
miao [6d\]: f4
Zahlman [1k\]: ... actually now I think it lives
Zahlman [1k\]: the g4 stone has a problem connecting back
miao [6d\]: ye it is alive
miao [6d\]: but needs l3 sente
]
;B[fp]C[wade [5d\]: j5 h4 j4 kills
GodofGo [6d\]: yes needs l3
]
;W[kq]C[GodofGo [6d\]: but then other group gonna be attacked badly
GodofGo [6d\]: after n5
Zahlman [1k\]: j5 j4 h4 f4 though
miao [6d\]: yes
wade [5d\]: f4 l1 h1 then only 1 eye
miao [6d\]: white´s situation is a bit grimm
wade [5d\]: l1 k1 h1 *
gru [1d\]: hi, where are the results?
miao [6d\]: white created too many groups
Zahlman [1k\]: ahh, I can't stay for this :(
miao [6d\]: i wonder if l3 can be gote
oonicks: that was h10 too many groups
oonicks: then
miao [6d\]: with p1 aji
]
;B[mo]C[miao [6d\]: ok
miao [6d\]: nata rightfully doesn´t go for adventures :)
]
;W[cn]C[miao [6d\]: but might work though
miao [6d\]: c6
EWGC2016 [?\]: B 23', W 9'
poiuytre: b6
poiuytre: висит j4
]
;B[bq]
;W[bp]
;B[cr]
;W[dk]C[miao [6d\]: c9
poiuytre: b b3 misstake b6 better
miao [6d\]: maybe a small mistake
miao [6d\]: maybe fine
]
;B[ck]C[miao [6d\]: wow
WVoron [4d\]: now w can live in sente
WVoron [4d\]: h4 dame
miao [6d\]: don´t mess with russian girls :)
wade [5d\]: dont mess with women :P
]
;W[ek]C[Goyer [?\]: d8 is a must now?
WVoron [4d\]: c8
]
;B[cl]C[Goyer [?\]: yes, it better)
]
;W[hp]C[WVoron [4d\]: gote
miao [6d\]: o11 now
miao [6d\]: or o10
]
;B[ch]C[mihi [?\]: O7 
miao [6d\]: o7 is maybe also fine
miao [6d\]: but i am to lazy to read it
miao [6d\]: :)
miao [6d\]: most sever choice
mihi [?\]: yes, I tought about taking w's base and forcing to extend on right side
mihi [?\]: and then play upper side 
miao [6d\]: if o7 p7 then p10 is a real alternative
mihi [?\]: but of course C12 is bigger 
miao [6d\]: hard fo w to fight back at all
]
;W[lk]C[miao [6d\]: m9?
EWGC2016 [?\]: W soon in byo yomi 
mihi [?\]: ouch...actually this is what I expected for black...to settle the center group because that is white's only chance
EWGC2016 [?\]: Canadian 20/5
mihi [?\]: and then to play C12 
miao [6d\]: yes mihi
miao [6d\]: that is a more mature approach to the situation
miao [6d\]: i think
]
;B[lj]C[miao [6d\]: but well
miao [6d\]: b is not in danger what so ever
miao [6d\]: so far
]
;W[od]C[miao [6d\]: loool
miao [6d\]: tenuki
miao [6d\]: o10
]
;B[oj]C[miao [6d\]: hm
miao [6d\]: this leaves holes
miao [6d\]: but well
miao [6d\]: w wants to cry no matter what
Goyer [?\]: r11
SiaTex [4k\]: why doest she resing already?
]
;W[nj]C[miao [6d\]: its a tournament game
]
;B[ni]C[wade [5d\]: anything can happen in byo yomi
wut: where can i find the results to this tournament?
EWGC2016 [?\]: they are not yet online
wut: ah, sad...
]
;W[ok]C[wade [5d\]: ponnuki or fight
miao [6d\]: q10 seems more principled
wut: this is the deciding match for the tournament winning?
EWGC2016 [?\]: If Natalia won, she is champion
wut: thx
]
;B[mj]
;W[pj]
;B[nk]C[wut: and if not who will? :-)
]
;W[pi]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: if not, SOS will matter
miao [6d\]: o7
wade [5d\]: 5 games total? 
]
;B[eg]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: yes
miao [6d\]: what is e13
miao [6d\]: :)
]
;W[ih]C[wade [5d\]: terminator mode
miao [6d\]: what is j12
wut: h12 isnt better?
wut: h11 seems dngerous now
miao [6d\]: g13 was fine to me
miao [6d\]: much more pressure on b shape
miao [6d\]: aimin at c14
miao [6d\]: here b can get f16 soon
violon [6k\]: J12 overplay? 
miao [6d\]: should take o7 nevertheless
miao [6d\]: j12 underplay
miao [6d\]: also playing close to b thickness
miao [6d\]: and weaker connection
miao [6d\]: in case b has no eyes
miao [6d\]: if she doesn´´t o7 for example
violon [6k\]: J12underplay??? 
miao [6d\]: it can turn ou to me good
]
;B[if]C[miao [6d\]: haha
miao [6d\]: j14 objectively fine
]
;W[hf]C[miao [6d\]: but this is not my way to finnish a won game
miao [6d\]: :)
]
;B[he]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: W enters byoyomi
violon [6k\]: So miao what after j12? 
miao [6d\]: j12 o7 p7 o8
mihi [?\]: I would honestly take the 2 stones in center as b...then play on upper side...but this instead of J14 
miao [6d\]: exactly mihi
miao [6d\]: :)
EWGC2016 [?\]: clock is paused
mihi [?\]: didn't read what you wrote above..so I guess the same
miao [6d\]: yes
violon [6k\]: I was thinking o7 p7 o8
oonicks: the b group lives without the attack
EWGC2016 [?\]: clock is resumed
miao [6d\]: what was the issue about?
]
;W[gf]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: natural call
]
;B[ig]
;W[ge]C[miao [6d\]: g15 is good
]
;B[hg]
;W[gg]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: B 8', W byoyomi
]
;B[hh]C[Goyer [?\]: j11
miao [6d\]: nobody can save b here
]
;W[gh]C[miao [6d\]: j16
]
;B[md]C[enob [10k\]: who is leading ?
]
;W[cf]C[violon [6k\]: N16??? 
miao [6d\]: h16
]
;B[cg]C[miao [6d\]: ...
miao [6d\]: why is nobody listening to me
miao [6d\]: j15
]
;W[bf]C[miao [6d\]: :(
]
;B[hd]C[miao [6d\]: finally
]
;W[gd]
;B[hc]C[miao [6d\]: h17
]
;W[bo]C[enob [10k\]: don't help them please
backnblack [1d\]: c3 
enob [10k\]: or simply d7 
miao [6d\]: d7 seems more intuitive to me
TheThe [4k\]: nata the best
violon [6k\]: Witch country are they? 
Goyer [?\]: thi is time sudji just
backnblack [1d\]: USSR
]
;B[dl]
;W[bm]C[srpp: why?
]
;B[cq]
;W[bl]
;B[bk]C[miao [6d\]: what
]
;W[ai]
;B[ak]C[Titaantje [?\]: Forcee blakk to take the stones completely
]
;W[df]C[dragonfly9 [8k\]: semedori
Goyer [?\]: b10
skwisgaar [3d\]: too schmall
]
;B[fb]C[enob [10k\]: well, that means d8 was a mistake
]
;W[ec]
;B[nb]C[Windupbird [3k\]: or white just want to wasting black time
]
;W[me]C[miao [6d\]: resign
EWGC2016 [?\]: Both players are in byoyomi now
backnblack [1d\]: B wins
]
;B[le]C[miao [6d\]: b wins for 100 moves now
]
;W[ne]C[miao [6d\]: but not very convincingly executed
enob [10k\]: doubt there will be 100 more moves
]
;B[pc]
;W[qc]
;B[pb]C[Goyer [?\]: m16
]
;W[lf]C[xyzw [4k\]: w will resign at move 180
]
;B[ke]
;W[rl]C[dragonfly9 [8k\]: o13 
rokaj [2k\]: p13
violon [6k\]: 182
]
;B[nm]
;W[om]
;B[nl]C[backnblack [1d\]: ok, finished
]
;W[el]
;B[dm]C[LongVi [?\]: o13 ?
Goyer [?\]: yes
violon [6k\]: B 92
]
;W[qb]C[xyzw [4k\]: that's an optimistic count for b
LongVi [?\]: can b o13?
violon [6k\]: W52
]
;B[oh]
;W[pg]
;B[sl]
;W[sk]
;B[sm]
;W[rj]
;B[og]
;W[of]
;B[ph]
;W[qh]
;B[pf]
;W[qg]
;B[nf]C[skwisgaar [3d\]: b now haeff more than 100
]
;W[oe]
;B[mf]
;W[ii]
;B[jh]C[TheThe [4k\]: b stong
]
;W[mc]C[enob [-\]: very stong indeed
]
;B[lc]C[TheThe [4k\]: I wish she played more on kgs
]
;W[nd]C[backnblack [1d\]: B + 11.5
]
;B[ld]
;W[ji]C[backnblack [1d\]: oh
backnblack [1d\]: no
backnblack [1d\]: B + 17.5
]
;B[hi]C[miao [6d\]: that´s more like it
]
;W[ej]C[miao [6d\]: might be more though
miao [6d\]: h10
]
;B[cj]
;W[ij]C[miao [6d\]: ...
badkitty [5k\]: what about the E5 group?
]
;B[ki]C[xyzw [4k\]: e5 is alive
]
;W[ps]C[kostuek [?\]: e5 group is happy
LongVi [?\]: no way to be killed 
badkitty [5k\]: that must mean D4 is dead
]
;B[qs]
;W[os]
;B[rr]C[xyzw [4k\]: but b needs to capture d4
]
;W[dg]
;B[fl]
;W[gk]C[rokaj [2k\]: e18
]
;B[ik]
;W[hj]
;B[fc]
;W[eb]
;B[fd]C[skwisgaar [3d\]: w got rekt
]
;W[ee]
;B[ea]
;W[da]
;B[fa]
;W[dc]
;B[no]
;W[oo]C[t3t [2d\]: what event is this/
]
;B[nc]
;W[pd]
;B[qa]
;W[oc]
;B[ob]
;W[pa]
;B[ra]
;W[rb]
;B[oa]
;W[gc]
;B[gb]
;W[oi]
;B[nh]
;W[nj]C[kostuek [?\]: european women go championship final round
]
;B[mi]C[t3t [2d\]: ic
]
;W[bg]C[t3t [2d\]: the winner is propoted to P?
]
;B[bh]
;W[ah]
;B[al]C[darkronin [2k?\]: it doesn't work like that ^^'
t3t [2d\]: 1p ?
]
;W[nn]C[xyzw [4k\]: i don't think so
]
;B[mn]C[t3t [2d\]: thats a pity
t3t [2d\]: Kovaleva for p!
wut: a winner is about 5d here, to be a P must be minimum 6d at least
]
;W[mp]
;B[lp]
;W[il]
;B[jl]
;W[dh]
;B[bn]
;W[an]
;B[cm]
;W[bn]
;B[ap]
;W[fe]
;B[ms]
;W[nr]
;B[io]
;W[ip]C[gletcher [7k\]: Kovaleva – at least 4p after her win against Shiksina (3p) :P
]
;B[ks]
;W[js]
;B[pm]
;W[pl]
;B[gi]
;W[fi]
;B[hs]C[wade [5d\]: k13 
]
;W[jg]
;B[kh]C[skwisgaar [3d\]: oo
]
;W[ie]
;B[jf]C[skwisgaar [3d\]: something happend
]
;W[hb]
;B[ib]
;W[ha]C[wade [5d\]: wow such a mistake b probably still winning
]
;B[ia]
;W[ic]
;B[ga]
;W[hb]
;B[ha]
;W[id]
;B[jc]
;W[hb]
;B[hc]
;W[jd]
;B[jb]
;W[je]
;B[kf]
;W[kd]C[bababobo [2d?\]: Hubris at late stage not fatal in this game.
]
;B[kc]
;W[hd]C[bababobo [2d?\]: p10 still a point or so
]
;B[hb]
;W[sb]
;B[mb]
;W[oj]
;B[jj]
;W[is]
;B[gs]
;W[pn]
;B[rp]
;W[ed]
;B[pa]C[EWGC2016 [?\]: pass pass
]
;W[bi]
;B[am]
;W[ag]
;B[ao]
;W[mq]
;B[fo]
;W[ns]
;B[go]
;W[sa]
;B[bj]
;W[aj]C[Goyer [?\]: what is the result on the 2nd board? who is 2nd and 3rd place?
noi [5k?\]: what rules set?
EWGC2016 [?\]: japanese
EWGC2016 [?\]: B+16.5
EWGC2016 [?\]: Natalia is Champion
noi [5k?\]: thanks ewgc
banaan [-\]: Congrats Natalia!
EWGC2016 [?\]: you are welcome
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