(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2021-06-06]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/34305422]
GN[TL]
PB[artem92]
PW[AndriiKravets]
BR[?]
WR[?]
TM[1800]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
RE[W+R]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[AndriiKravets: Have fun 
artem92: have a good game
Avtikh: \[object Object\]
]
;B[qd]
(;W[dp]
(;B[pq]
(;W[dd]
(;B[oc]
(;W[po]
(;B[qo]
(;W[qn]
(;B[qp]
(;W[pn]
(;B[nq]
(;W[qe]
(;B[pe]
(;W[qf]
(;B[pf]
(;W[qh]
(;B[pg]
(;W[ph]
(;B[rd]
(;W[fc]
(;B[cn]
(;W[dj]
(;B[bp]
(;W[cq]
(;B[dl]
(;W[gq]
(;B[cf]
(;W[ce]
(;B[df]
(;W[dh]
(;B[ff]
(;W[gd]
(;B[gh]
(;W[fk]
(;B[he]
(;W[id]
(;B[ej]
(;W[ek]
(;B[dk]
(;W[cj]
(;B[ei]
(;W[bl]
(;B[en]
(;W[bn]
(;B[co]
(;W[bh]
(;B[gj]
(;W[gk]
(;B[fo]
(;W[ep]
(;B[hp]
(;W[hq]
(;B[hj]
(;W[hm]
(;B[ip]
(;W[hk]
(;B[ij]
(;W[jl]
(;B[iq]
(;W[kj]
(;B[in]
(;W[mo]
C[Mrrr: it seems to be a good game for white
]
(;B[ln]
(;W[ll]
(;B[mn]
(;W[no]
(;B[ml]
(;W[mk]
(;B[nl]
(;W[pk]
(;B[oj]
(;W[ni]
C[Ietsie: why?
]
(;B[mj]
C[Mrrr: it seemed
]
(;W[nj]
(;B[nk]
C[Mrrr: now it is more unclear, at least as long as black is able to attack
Mrrr: white has more points
derod: B S8 seems painfull
]
(;W[mi]
(;B[lk]
(;W[kk]
(;B[pl]
(;W[ql]
C[Mrrr: i think s8 would be too risky
]
(;B[pj]
(;W[qj]
(;B[ok]
(;W[qk]
(;B[oh]
C[Mrrr: black`s main objective is white center group :)
Ietsie: thx
]
(;W[lj]
(;B[mk]
(;W[kg]
C[Mrrr: it is interesting too see Artem in this kind of position 
Mrrr: *to
]
(;B[ie]
(;W[jd]
(;B[kf]
(;W[lf]
(;B[ke]
(;W[jg]
(;B[be]
(;W[bd]
(;B[ge]
(;W[ee]
(;B[hd]
(;W[hc]
(;B[fd]
(;W[gc]
(;B[de]
(;W[cd]
(;B[bg]
(;W[ch]
(;B[mg]
(;W[lg]
(;B[kd]
(;W[mh]
(;B[br]
(;W[bq]
(;B[aq]
(;W[cr]
(;B[ik]
(;W[il]
(;B[ji]
(;W[ki]
(;B[jh]
(;W[kh]
(;B[hr]
(;W[gr]
(;B[jr]
(;W[hs]
(;B[gm]
(;W[oi]
(;B[pi]
(;W[qi]
(;B[ng]
(;W[hn]
(;B[fp]
(;W[gp]
(;B[go]
(;W[ho]
(;B[fq]
(;W[fr]
(;B[eq]
(;W[ir]
C[GewiefterAdler: how long does it take until you get a decent sense for strategy in GO?
]
(;B[er]
C[Roquefort: It depends what you mean by "decent"
]
(;W[jq]
C[Mrrr: id decent means better than you have now - not possible ;)
derod: Several days for an AI, several lives for a human being
Ietsie: ages is the answer
Ietsie: Or never
]
(;B[kp]
C[Roquefort: You can get a good grasp of basic attack and defence pretty quickly, it can take your life if your definition is higher :)
]
(;W[kq]
(;B[km]
C[Mrrr: somehow black managed to get something out of these center actions
]
(;W[kl]
C[GewiefterAdler: to have the feeling that you know what you are doing :D
]
(;B[lp]
C[Ietsie: depends on you, not go
Roquefort: to have the feeling that you know what you are trying to do, I would say a few months 
]
(;W[ar]
(;B[bs]
(;W[ap]
(;B[bo]
C[Mrrr: when i play i have that feeling so in terms of level less than i have :)
]
(;W[cm]
(;B[an]
(;W[dm]
(;B[eo]
(;W[lq]
C[GewiefterAdler: i find it really hard to learn/get competent at it while having job and family^^
]
(;B[mp]
C[GewiefterAdler: it's fascinating though
GewiefterAdler: sorry, I don't wanna distract from the ongoing game too mich
Roquefort: You can watch a few lecture by Dwyrin on youtube if you feel you have understood the rules correctly and played a few games
]
(;W[kb]
C[Roquefort: lectures*
]
(;B[kc]
C[Roquefort: He uses pretty simple concepts that can help you get a feeling of knowing what you do
]
(;W[jb]
(;B[lb]
C[GewiefterAdler: thanks for the tip
]
(;W[ed]
(;B[ef]
C[Mrrr: white is still leading
MrSuth: I second this, Dwyrin helped me move from understanding the nature of the game to understanding things in the game
Mrrr: i think
]
(;W[ig]
(;B[jc]
(;W[ic]
(;B[if]
C[Roquefort: Now that white is alive in the center, it's going to be harder for black 
]
(;W[nn]
(;B[lm]
(;W[or]
C[artem92: thanks
AndriiKravets: thanks
derod: Thanks players
]
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